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if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed away from it. the mere prospect of president obama's being elected caused a huge run on ammunition, police departments were almost running out of it. now many democrats think the situation is different because of newtown and the other mass shootings this year, so i guess we're going to find out whether past is prologue. things have -- things may have changed. we're going to have to see how much they have. >> senators kay bailey hutchison and mark warren yesterday segment nauling their willing tons talk about this, and most likely the conversation leading itself to
if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed...
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and that was a different nra. >> guest: the nra still does a lot of, i think, worthwhile training and certifying of ability to use firearms safely, and -- but they became politically the leadership that approved the '68 gun control act was overthrown, replaced by others and eventually by charlton heston became a spokesman for that faction, and now we have wayne lapierre firmly in the saddle, and politically it's a very different organization from what it was in 1968, very clearly. also been able to raise huge amounts of money and become maybe the most powerful lobby in washington. and it plays basically on the backlash, on people's fears of -- well, imcrime is rising and the police can't do anything about it, then how are we going to keep ourselves from being robbed? murdered? raped? and son on. we need firearms to defend ourselveses and the nra certainly has been playing on that line for many years. >> host: but as crime is rising in the '8s and early '9s, crack cocaine and the gangs and more sophisticated guns, congress acted again. really only the third time they acted to do a gun
and that was a different nra. >> guest: the nra still does a lot of, i think, worthwhile training and certifying of ability to use firearms safely, and -- but they became politically the leadership that approved the '68 gun control act was overthrown, replaced by others and eventually by charlton heston became a spokesman for that faction, and now we have wayne lapierre firmly in the saddle, and politically it's a very different organization from what it was in 1968, very clearly. also...
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how can the nra in pos really convincingly regulations aimed at keeping people like criminals and drug addict from acquiring guns? there's nothing that has tried to support people like that the nra is the only one that says don't make new gun control measures, and forceful law that we have against criminals and that should be something we can agree on. >> host: part of what is needed to enforce those are maybe stronger definitions sometimes were stronger regulations but the list of prohibited purchasers from 1968 says drug users promises to our that -- drug addict but it doesn't define how you treat that. if anyone would ever used drugs in this company as a prohibited purchaser had a lot less guns available. the mentally ill is the major one. >> guest: that is a similar issue to recognize the sensitivity. i know people like myself that have had problems and dealt with them and a blanket prohibition against having a gun is something you want to think about very carefully. >> host: but that isn't what most people are talking about to be that virginia tech when the brady center discovered
how can the nra in pos really convincingly regulations aimed at keeping people like criminals and drug addict from acquiring guns? there's nothing that has tried to support people like that the nra is the only one that says don't make new gun control measures, and forceful law that we have against criminals and that should be something we can agree on. >> host: part of what is needed to enforce those are maybe stronger definitions sometimes were stronger regulations but the list of...
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this is what the nra wants to do. given the history of there being armed -- all kinds of armed guards at schools where there were shootings, do you think it will really work? >> well, you know, when we call 911, we don't want to disarm security guard showing up to help us. now, there are many different things we can do. that perhaps is appropriate in some situations. i believe new york city schools, many of them, have security officers that are armed. that's not the whole picture. if we focus just on the firearm, we miss the opportunity to address the larger problems here with our mental health system, which is in shambles in this country, and what is really comes down to is money, why are we going to put our priorities, in the mill ear, overseas, or right here with our own people in america? >> thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate it. especially on this holiday. >> thank you. >> other headlines to tell you about. >>> we expect to fin out the official results of egypt's constitutional referendum vote. unof
this is what the nra wants to do. given the history of there being armed -- all kinds of armed guards at schools where there were shootings, do you think it will really work? >> well, you know, when we call 911, we don't want to disarm security guard showing up to help us. now, there are many different things we can do. that perhaps is appropriate in some situations. i believe new york city schools, many of them, have security officers that are armed. that's not the whole picture. if we...
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. >>> and the criticism against the nra. heated debate over guns is ahead. >>> welcome back. well, so far, it's been a quiet holiday season at the malls. analysts say shoppers are worried about the budget stalemate in washington or they're delayed by superstorm sandy or depressed by the connecticut school shootings. >> as we hear from nick watt, the holiday shopping season is not over yet. >> reporter: we have just entered the final frantic hours of gift buying. you look stressed. >> i have a little anxiety. i'm not going the lie. i'm tripping out. >> reporter: there are crumbs of comfort. the sign says the delayed gifts might be the best. number one, frugality i vap rates. you throw money at the problem. number two, you make a gut instinct decision. >> you want to buy a sweater for your wife. if you think about it too much, you may outthink yourself and not make a good choice. >> reporter: you to feel you perform better under pressure? >> absolutely. you have to make a good decision. you have to make a decision. >> reporter: stores stay open for the last-minute larrys. targe
. >>> and the criticism against the nra. heated debate over guns is ahead. >>> welcome back. well, so far, it's been a quiet holiday season at the malls. analysts say shoppers are worried about the budget stalemate in washington or they're delayed by superstorm sandy or depressed by the connecticut school shootings. >> as we hear from nick watt, the holiday shopping season is not over yet. >> reporter: we have just entered the final frantic hours of gift buying....
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>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the biggest single hole right now if you're a felon and you walk into a gun store and you try to buy a gun and they go, oh, you're a felon and we're going to turn you do, they let you walk out and they don't prosecute you. it's like bonnie and clyde. it like clyde goes in and tries to buy a gun. he goes back to bonnie and said i got bad news, they didn't sell me a gun. the good news is they let me go, they didn't do anything to me. they go about and commit their crime. >> is senator feinstein's bill to revive the assault weapon ban going to pass? >>
>> nra supports what works. we have supported prison building, supported projects where every time you catch a criminal with a gun, a drug dealer with a gun, a violent felon with a gun, you prosecutor them 1 sh00% of the time. if you want to control violent criminals, take them off the streets. we supported instant check systems, getting the records into the instant check system. >> even the instant check system has huge holes just like the mental health registry. >> the...
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>>> the head of nra is calling the proposed assault weapons ban a phony piece of legislation. ceo wayne lapierre insists his organization will not support any new gun regulations even after the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school. nbc's danielle lee is live on capitol hill with more. good morning, danielle. >> reporter: good morning. the leader of the national rifle association wayne lapierre sticking to his position just days after calling for armed guards in all schools. lawmakers are talking about a possible assault weapons ban and even ammunition limits but he says neither will help prevent a shooting like the one we saw in newtown from happening again. now, the national rifle association has been accused of being out of touch with america even by supporters. lapierre says he believes he's offering a solution that america wants. >> if it's crazy to call for putting police and armed security in our school to protect our children, than call me crazy. i tell you what the american people -- i think the american people think it's crazy not to do it. it's the one thing that
>>> the head of nra is calling the proposed assault weapons ban a phony piece of legislation. ceo wayne lapierre insists his organization will not support any new gun regulations even after the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school. nbc's danielle lee is live on capitol hill with more. good morning, danielle. >> reporter: good morning. the leader of the national rifle association wayne lapierre sticking to his position just days after calling for armed guards in all schools....
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the nra opposes that. there are so many common sense gun reforms -- and i'm writing about this for a call tomorrow -- that we already have a national consensus, in judging by the polls. the nra is against even modest reforms and in a way that confirmed the idea that they have turned from a grass-roots organization into a mouthpiece for the gun industry. let's be honest. their spokesman spoke very well for the gun industry's position, saying we need to put more guns out there. whatever real debate. host: bob is a republican caller. caller: merry christmas. i was going to comment on the fairness of taxing, but i have a couple quick points about the gun problem. if that mother had licked, of the shooter, she would've been in violation of not providing a trigger locks and keeping the guns locked up in a safe. there are laws that she should of been arrested for. >guest: she should have obeid them. caller: the earlier caller comparing england with america, and there's a big difference in the gun problem, america
the nra opposes that. there are so many common sense gun reforms -- and i'm writing about this for a call tomorrow -- that we already have a national consensus, in judging by the polls. the nra is against even modest reforms and in a way that confirmed the idea that they have turned from a grass-roots organization into a mouthpiece for the gun industry. let's be honest. their spokesman spoke very well for the gun industry's position, saying we need to put more guns out there. whatever real...
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the nra is going to try to do that. >> any new gun control bill won't be taken until the new congress takes office next month. >>> lapierre's comments made the gun control debate hotter. a small but vocal group of people demonstrated outside a gun shop in falls church. the gun called for a ban on assault style weapons and ammunition and more funding for mental health programs and a push to put armed guards in schools across the country has people talking. >> i don't understand why they're here exactly. they are exercising their first amendment rights and we're here exercising our second amendment rights. >> this doesn't define us as a society. how many people should carry guns? it's the character. the character. the caliber of our character rather than the caliber of our weapon. it's just not right. >> police stood by in case things got out of hand but the demonstration remained peaceful. >>> more than five years after the mass shooting at virginia tech there is some improvement to the state's mental health system. there is still a long way to go. according to the daily progress of ch
the nra is going to try to do that. >> any new gun control bill won't be taken until the new congress takes office next month. >>> lapierre's comments made the gun control debate hotter. a small but vocal group of people demonstrated outside a gun shop in falls church. the gun called for a ban on assault style weapons and ammunition and more funding for mental health programs and a push to put armed guards in schools across the country has people talking. >> i don't...
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the head of the nra renewed his call forearmed officers in schools. and the backlash against assault weapons is continuing. several stores in colorado are no longer selling them. one store owner said he didn't ever want to open a newspaper and find out something he had sold had been used in a tragedy like the one in newtown. the country is so divided on this issue. the polls suggest people want congress to take some action, if nothing more to close loopholes, perhaps ban some of the high capacity magazines. so you think something is going to happen, but you have to wonder if it has the votes in the house to get it passed. even that assault weapons ban from '94 to 2004, even when that passed in the '90s, it passed by two or three votes. so republicans now control the house. i don't know how anything gets through or if it is, it's a baby step. >> and as you heard from the nra, they don't seem to be budging on the issue, either. >> no. leave gun control alone. >>> now a major medical headline just out this morning, and it has to do with bullied, overweig
the head of the nra renewed his call forearmed officers in schools. and the backlash against assault weapons is continuing. several stores in colorado are no longer selling them. one store owner said he didn't ever want to open a newspaper and find out something he had sold had been used in a tragedy like the one in newtown. the country is so divided on this issue. the polls suggest people want congress to take some action, if nothing more to close loopholes, perhaps ban some of the high...
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he is the head of the nra. that is thinking and one thing from the nraa point of view is more guns. >> gretchen: that is a great point. as parents, you are kind of hamstrung on this issue. obviously you want your kid toz go to school and be safe whether it is it a shopping mall or movie theater. but i am not sure we are to that point as parents. are we at a point where we are comfortable with this is part of our culture now and that our kids will grow up knowing to be safe they needed armed people. it is the cart before the horse in a way. i don't know. shouldn't we try to be a less violent society first? before we say that -- it is a tough question. >> clayton: you take your kids to school and you hold their hand and you want them to be safe. but is it what you want them to see walking by an armed guard? you want them safe, but is this where we are now as a society? that they have to walk past an armed guard. >> gretchen: maybe it would be conceal i get all of that, but it is still a cultural question for me.
he is the head of the nra. that is thinking and one thing from the nraa point of view is more guns. >> gretchen: that is a great point. as parents, you are kind of hamstrung on this issue. obviously you want your kid toz go to school and be safe whether it is it a shopping mall or movie theater. but i am not sure we are to that point as parents. are we at a point where we are comfortable with this is part of our culture now and that our kids will grow up knowing to be safe they needed...
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. >>> the nra is making clear they are not about to consider tighter gun laws in the wake of the newton massacre. wayne la pierre repeated his desire for an armed guard in every school. >> i don't know if anybody has ever seen somebody shot. i have. this is a false debate. this is a convenient trick to try to divide our country, where most of us in america, including gun owners that agree on things that would stop the carnage going on all over america. >> booker is offering up an array of ideas, including universal background checks and tighter control laws. and he is exploring a run for the u.s. senate in 2014. >>> former penn state defensive coordinator jerry sandusky, responded to an interview request with a pennsylvania newspaper with a letter from prison, written on a small scrap of paper. sandusky says he wants to talk to the citizens voice newspaper but told to keep quiet by his attorneys as they appeal his conviction for sexually abuses ten boys. he says he spends 23 hours a day in his cell at a supermax security prison. >>> the end of an era. "newsweek" released the cover of it
. >>> the nra is making clear they are not about to consider tighter gun laws in the wake of the newton massacre. wayne la pierre repeated his desire for an armed guard in every school. >> i don't know if anybody has ever seen somebody shot. i have. this is a false debate. this is a convenient trick to try to divide our country, where most of us in america, including gun owners that agree on things that would stop the carnage going on all over america. >> booker is offering...